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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/how-to-deal-with-abusive-forum-members/comment-page-1/#comment-18040</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree that &quot;people will always challenge authority&quot;  Or that they don&#039;t care about being banned. If you, as Admin start getting into that mindset then you are lost. Then you start looking at members and have already judged them. If they make a complaint about something and then something else, then start disagreeing with you are you going to see it as ligitimate? Or do you dismiss it because they are &#039;probably&#039; just challenging you? 

Some members, probably many of them don&#039;t have the slightest interest in going up against authority. They WANT to obey the rules. They want to respect you. I can&#039;t emphasize that enough. If you find you are getting a lot of members disagreeing with Admin and and you&#039;re having to hand out more and more warnings and infractions ask yourself this: 

!. Are the posted rules clear? Are they easy to understand? Don&#039;t just assume that &quot;any idiot could understand them&quot; You would be surprised. You have to understand your own rules and be able to articulate exactly what is meant. NOTHING drives a member more crazy than rules that are ambiguous and confusing. Some will contact Admin to demand clarification. There&#039;s a ton who never do. They just don&#039;t.

2. Can some &#039;favorite members&#039; get around the rules with no punishment, but others have to toe the line? If you think no one is watching--beleive me, everyone sees it. 

3. Despite your best efforts, has the community descended into politics and what members you will protect at any cost?  Some of the ones you think are the &quot;troublemakers&quot; are actually getting subtly bullied by these usually longtime members and treated with hostility. Are you turning a blind eye to some things? Are you shrugging away the &quot;troublemaker&quot; ?  Sometimes--not always--but sometimes they are sincerely hurt and outraged and never wanted any bad thing to happen at all. 

If you want to get a member out in order to protect the &quot;majority&quot; then ask yourself: who is the majority? Is the majority the &quot;other good members&quot;?  How do you define &quot;good&quot;?  How do they define it? Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree that &#8220;people will always challenge authority&#8221;  Or that they don&#8217;t care about being banned. If you, as Admin start getting into that mindset then you are lost. Then you start looking at members and have already judged them. If they make a complaint about something and then something else, then start disagreeing with you are you going to see it as ligitimate? Or do you dismiss it because they are &#8216;probably&#8217; just challenging you? </p>
<p>Some members, probably many of them don&#8217;t have the slightest interest in going up against authority. They WANT to obey the rules. They want to respect you. I can&#8217;t emphasize that enough. If you find you are getting a lot of members disagreeing with Admin and and you&#8217;re having to hand out more and more warnings and infractions ask yourself this: </p>
<p>!. Are the posted rules clear? Are they easy to understand? Don&#8217;t just assume that &#8220;any idiot could understand them&#8221; You would be surprised. You have to understand your own rules and be able to articulate exactly what is meant. NOTHING drives a member more crazy than rules that are ambiguous and confusing. Some will contact Admin to demand clarification. There&#8217;s a ton who never do. They just don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>2. Can some &#8216;favorite members&#8217; get around the rules with no punishment, but others have to toe the line? If you think no one is watching&#8211;beleive me, everyone sees it. </p>
<p>3. Despite your best efforts, has the community descended into politics and what members you will protect at any cost?  Some of the ones you think are the &#8220;troublemakers&#8221; are actually getting subtly bullied by these usually longtime members and treated with hostility. Are you turning a blind eye to some things? Are you shrugging away the &#8220;troublemaker&#8221; ?  Sometimes&#8211;not always&#8211;but sometimes they are sincerely hurt and outraged and never wanted any bad thing to happen at all. </p>
<p>If you want to get a member out in order to protect the &#8220;majority&#8221; then ask yourself: who is the majority? Is the majority the &#8220;other good members&#8221;?  How do you define &#8220;good&#8221;?  How do they define it? Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Reed - Blog Author</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/how-to-deal-with-abusive-forum-members/comment-page-1/#comment-15402</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Reed - Blog Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Keistian&lt;/strong&gt; - It depends what you consider &#039;serious discussions&#039; to be. Any emotive subjects are at risk of causing trouble, but at the same time they can create fantastic levels of debate and interaction.

&lt;strong&gt;Smiley&lt;/strong&gt; - Dealing with disagreements with maturity as you mention can help prevent them from degrading into abuse. Leading by example is the best way of proactively reducing flame wars and offensive posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Keistian</strong> &#8211; It depends what you consider &#8217;serious discussions&#8217; to be. Any emotive subjects are at risk of causing trouble, but at the same time they can create fantastic levels of debate and interaction.</p>
<p><strong>Smiley</strong> &#8211; Dealing with disagreements with maturity as you mention can help prevent them from degrading into abuse. Leading by example is the best way of proactively reducing flame wars and offensive posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Smiley</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/how-to-deal-with-abusive-forum-members/comment-page-1/#comment-15046</link>
		<dc:creator>Smiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find you can avoid it turning into an argument by leading by example. If you disagree with someone, state why and ask for their point of view, and ask them to explain why they think what they think.

When I first started, I just used my Alf Garnett-style political humour on my forums, and others followed, so even the serious discussions are debated in a light-hearted manner. Not too many problems arise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find you can avoid it turning into an argument by leading by example. If you disagree with someone, state why and ask for their point of view, and ask them to explain why they think what they think.</p>
<p>When I first started, I just used my Alf Garnett-style political humour on my forums, and others followed, so even the serious discussions are debated in a light-hearted manner. Not too many problems arise.</p>
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		<title>By: Keistian Liebrand</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/how-to-deal-with-abusive-forum-members/comment-page-1/#comment-15014</link>
		<dc:creator>Keistian Liebrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 16:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s mainly the serious discussions where the problems arise. A disagreement turns into a debate, then the debate turns into an argument, then the argument turns into a slagging much where everyone threatens to e-beat each other up, as they do. Because I like serious discussions, and because most of the heated posts made actually do have valid points in them, I tend to just edit out any nasty bits/personal jibes and leave the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s mainly the serious discussions where the problems arise. A disagreement turns into a debate, then the debate turns into an argument, then the argument turns into a slagging much where everyone threatens to e-beat each other up, as they do. Because I like serious discussions, and because most of the heated posts made actually do have valid points in them, I tend to just edit out any nasty bits/personal jibes and leave the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Reed - Blog Author</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Reed - Blog Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 15:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Calgary&lt;/strong&gt; - You make a very good point. Just as it is easy for us to forget that behind every username is a real person, abusive users may forget that behind every moderator is a real person, too! I am a strong advocate of communication as a way of resolving disputes - you are far more likely to diffuse a situation for the long term through communication than rudimentary bans or punishments.

&lt;strong&gt;Cody&lt;/strong&gt; - Yes, IP proxies can be a pain however if you temporarily switch off automatic activation for new accounts, it doesn&#039;t matter how they are registering on your site - they won&#039;t be able to post.

&lt;strong&gt;Nicole&lt;/strong&gt; - I am glad your strategy is working for you. I would recommend you email users with a warning before you delete any posts; very often you are then able to prevent any further occurrence of the behaviour you are concerned about.

&lt;strong&gt;John&lt;/strong&gt; - Sure, you should tell a member why they have had action taken against them, but I disagree this should be publicly broadcast. Why risk further conflict if you don&#039;t have to?

&lt;strong&gt;Reena&lt;/strong&gt; - An overzealous moderator can destroy an online community. You really need to ensure that moderators understand that their primary role is to encourage interaction and discussion - not stifle it!

&lt;strong&gt;Make Money&lt;/strong&gt; - Yes, it is important to remember that your site is yours. However, it is also important to remember that you should ensure your members feel some sense of shared ownership if you want to win their trust and loyalty.

&lt;strong&gt;Auto&lt;/strong&gt; - I disagree. Yes, some abusive users can be really problematic however you need to remember it is much easier for you to delete accounts than it is for them to register a new email address, use a new IP address and register on your forum. In the end, you will always win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Calgary</strong> &#8211; You make a very good point. Just as it is easy for us to forget that behind every username is a real person, abusive users may forget that behind every moderator is a real person, too! I am a strong advocate of communication as a way of resolving disputes &#8211; you are far more likely to diffuse a situation for the long term through communication than rudimentary bans or punishments.</p>
<p><strong>Cody</strong> &#8211; Yes, IP proxies can be a pain however if you temporarily switch off automatic activation for new accounts, it doesn&#8217;t matter how they are registering on your site &#8211; they won&#8217;t be able to post.</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong> &#8211; I am glad your strategy is working for you. I would recommend you email users with a warning before you delete any posts; very often you are then able to prevent any further occurrence of the behaviour you are concerned about.</p>
<p><strong>John</strong> &#8211; Sure, you should tell a member why they have had action taken against them, but I disagree this should be publicly broadcast. Why risk further conflict if you don&#8217;t have to?</p>
<p><strong>Reena</strong> &#8211; An overzealous moderator can destroy an online community. You really need to ensure that moderators understand that their primary role is to encourage interaction and discussion &#8211; not stifle it!</p>
<p><strong>Make Money</strong> &#8211; Yes, it is important to remember that your site is yours. However, it is also important to remember that you should ensure your members feel some sense of shared ownership if you want to win their trust and loyalty.</p>
<p><strong>Auto</strong> &#8211; I disagree. Yes, some abusive users can be really problematic however you need to remember it is much easier for you to delete accounts than it is for them to register a new email address, use a new IP address and register on your forum. In the end, you will always win.</p>
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		<title>By: AutoInsuranceQuotes</title>
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		<dc:creator>AutoInsuranceQuotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, its true that forum moderation is vital if you want to have a spam free forum,  but if someone wants to mess around with the site, there&#039;s not much that can be done. Yes, you can block the username and ip address, but if they&#039;re persistent enough, they&#039;ll just switch ips and usernames and continue to cause problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, its true that forum moderation is vital if you want to have a spam free forum,  but if someone wants to mess around with the site, there&#8217;s not much that can be done. Yes, you can block the username and ip address, but if they&#8217;re persistent enough, they&#8217;ll just switch ips and usernames and continue to cause problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Make Money Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Money Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very helpful indeed. I agree that informing the abusive forum member is the first step in minimizing such cases. Other people are insensitive, or may not really care about the rules so reminding them could give them a wake up call. Being professional in everything you do is also vital. Your site is yours and you should be the one to take care of it, maintain and mediate it for abusive or offensive comments reflect on the image of your whole site, and even to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very helpful indeed. I agree that informing the abusive forum member is the first step in minimizing such cases. Other people are insensitive, or may not really care about the rules so reminding them could give them a wake up call. Being professional in everything you do is also vital. Your site is yours and you should be the one to take care of it, maintain and mediate it for abusive or offensive comments reflect on the image of your whole site, and even to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Smiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with you there, John. Publically announcing the banning looks powermad. It looks like the equivalent to a public execution. It looks like you&#039;re making an example out of them. It looks like you&#039;re being an authority - this approach will also encourage other members to rise up, and the banned members to keep on coming back to challenge the unfair authority. 

I think doing things in private only is the best way to go. I&#039;ve never let it escalate to the point of banning. It takes a lot of patience and a clear, cool head to deal with abusive members.

One of my formerly abusive members is now one of my favourite wind ups. I allow him his &#039;play time&#039; without him resorting to offensive comments and/or personal attacks, but have carefully steered him towards more fun, banterful wind ups. He still gets the reaction and attention he wants, but what he does is no longer offensive and users have an ignore function on my phpBB boards. If they don&#039;t like someone&#039;s posts, they can put them on ignore.

It&#039;s an adult site, so I expect them to act like adults. Encouraging them to come crying to you about everything and banning everyone for everything is treating them like children. Treat them like children, they&#039;ll act like children.

Treat them like adults... you get the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you there, John. Publically announcing the banning looks powermad. It looks like the equivalent to a public execution. It looks like you&#8217;re making an example out of them. It looks like you&#8217;re being an authority &#8211; this approach will also encourage other members to rise up, and the banned members to keep on coming back to challenge the unfair authority. </p>
<p>I think doing things in private only is the best way to go. I&#8217;ve never let it escalate to the point of banning. It takes a lot of patience and a clear, cool head to deal with abusive members.</p>
<p>One of my formerly abusive members is now one of my favourite wind ups. I allow him his &#8216;play time&#8217; without him resorting to offensive comments and/or personal attacks, but have carefully steered him towards more fun, banterful wind ups. He still gets the reaction and attention he wants, but what he does is no longer offensive and users have an ignore function on my phpBB boards. If they don&#8217;t like someone&#8217;s posts, they can put them on ignore.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an adult site, so I expect them to act like adults. Encouraging them to come crying to you about everything and banning everyone for everything is treating them like children. Treat them like children, they&#8217;ll act like children.</p>
<p>Treat them like adults&#8230; you get the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Online Furniture Store</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/how-to-deal-with-abusive-forum-members/comment-page-1/#comment-14880</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Furniture Store</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think that forums should be fun and cool places to hang out, where you can speak your mind and be in the company of like minded people. So a moderator cannot really afford to be heavy handed, of he will be perceived as un-cool, which would just not do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think that forums should be fun and cool places to hang out, where you can speak your mind and be in the company of like minded people. So a moderator cannot really afford to be heavy handed, of he will be perceived as un-cool, which would just not do.</p>
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		<title>By: John Walters</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think you should announce why the member got banned as it is not always obvious. This helps stop people from making the same mistake themselves.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think you should announce why the member got banned as it is not always obvious. This helps stop people from making the same mistake themselves.</p>
<p>John</p>
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