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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-26600</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respects? I meant regrets, haven&#039;t slept in 2 days, my keyboard is drunk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respects? I meant regrets, haven&#8217;t slept in 2 days, my keyboard is drunk!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-26599</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post and very important. One of my greatest respects was changing the site in a major way without, really, the full support of the core member base - I thought I knew what was best in the -long term- so went ahead anyway, only to find most previously loyal members unhappy and disillusioned. They liked it the way it was, I was too busy chasing -new- members I forgot about my loyal regulars. 

Another good point on continuity, is to continue your own presence. Or at least the presence of who your regulars see as the site manager.

I&#039;m busy in real life at the moment so don&#039;t have much time for the net, and because I was the main overpowering presence as site manager the forums have gone quiet.

I&#039;ve learnt from these mistakes and making only minor tweaks now to improve the community whilst keeping lay-out, design, functionality the same - and also put in place a new site manager whilst demoting myself to &#039;site developer&#039;, in the long run she will become the main presence and is loyal, there everyday, everyone knows and loves her and thus is much more suited to the job than myself who can&#039;t always be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post and very important. One of my greatest respects was changing the site in a major way without, really, the full support of the core member base &#8211; I thought I knew what was best in the -long term- so went ahead anyway, only to find most previously loyal members unhappy and disillusioned. They liked it the way it was, I was too busy chasing -new- members I forgot about my loyal regulars. </p>
<p>Another good point on continuity, is to continue your own presence. Or at least the presence of who your regulars see as the site manager.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m busy in real life at the moment so don&#8217;t have much time for the net, and because I was the main overpowering presence as site manager the forums have gone quiet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learnt from these mistakes and making only minor tweaks now to improve the community whilst keeping lay-out, design, functionality the same &#8211; and also put in place a new site manager whilst demoting myself to &#8216;site developer&#8217;, in the long run she will become the main presence and is loyal, there everyday, everyone knows and loves her and thus is much more suited to the job than myself who can&#8217;t always be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-25994</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 00:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My company has built and manages over 200 communities.  We have found that the number one key to engagment is the combination of a need within a niche.  For example, we have a community built around the niche of Long Term Care professionals.  The need is finding a job or a job that pays more.  We bring together LTC professionals with LTC recruiters, and then we fill the network with videos and blogs specific to LTC professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company has built and manages over 200 communities.  We have found that the number one key to engagment is the combination of a need within a niche.  For example, we have a community built around the niche of Long Term Care professionals.  The need is finding a job or a job that pays more.  We bring together LTC professionals with LTC recruiters, and then we fill the network with videos and blogs specific to LTC professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Continent</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-25950</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Continent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 04:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how attitudes towards rapid changes in online communities will evolve as users of same get into their &quot;golden years&quot;.

My mom and dad are both only familiar with the very basics of computer usage, and they tend to get frustrated when some subtle change has been applied to a site they frequent. Even my relatively young self gets aggravated when say Facebook decides to implement something which the majority feels is a necessary modification, but which &quot;everyone else&quot; could certainly do without, yet as with many things the majority seems to rule.

I think a powerful online community would incorporate more AJAX elements which allow the user to shape their interface to a community&#039;s resources. I&#039;d like to be able to drag-and-drop, determine where certain gadgets appear and tie those to my profile to be remembered at each visit. Implementing these would detach users from the data, leaving them to shape the interface to view that data in a way they&#039;re comfortable with over the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how attitudes towards rapid changes in online communities will evolve as users of same get into their &#8220;golden years&#8221;.</p>
<p>My mom and dad are both only familiar with the very basics of computer usage, and they tend to get frustrated when some subtle change has been applied to a site they frequent. Even my relatively young self gets aggravated when say Facebook decides to implement something which the majority feels is a necessary modification, but which &#8220;everyone else&#8221; could certainly do without, yet as with many things the majority seems to rule.</p>
<p>I think a powerful online community would incorporate more AJAX elements which allow the user to shape their interface to a community&#8217;s resources. I&#8217;d like to be able to drag-and-drop, determine where certain gadgets appear and tie those to my profile to be remembered at each visit. Implementing these would detach users from the data, leaving them to shape the interface to view that data in a way they&#8217;re comfortable with over the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-25854</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 00:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>annominity and also the &#039;reduction&#039; of ones normal inhibitions, means you can be and say anything you want online.  Flames wars can occur and do, and sometimes lead to real life bad situations (for example using Facebook to start a fight with a school friend)

still, if sites were going to dissalow annonymous users... well..
1) how do they know that adam is real? or that george or matt are for example

2) so what if you use a real name.  what diff does that make

how many adam smiths are there in the world&gt;

the only way of security is to ahve the people registered with an email address and to log their IP address (and log it everytime they come online)

and ensure that &quot;privacy&quot; will be null and void.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>annominity and also the &#8216;reduction&#8217; of ones normal inhibitions, means you can be and say anything you want online.  Flames wars can occur and do, and sometimes lead to real life bad situations (for example using Facebook to start a fight with a school friend)</p>
<p>still, if sites were going to dissalow annonymous users&#8230; well..<br />
1) how do they know that adam is real? or that george or matt are for example</p>
<p>2) so what if you use a real name.  what diff does that make</p>
<p>how many adam smiths are there in the world&gt;</p>
<p>the only way of security is to ahve the people registered with an email address and to log their IP address (and log it everytime they come online)</p>
<p>and ensure that &#8220;privacy&#8221; will be null and void.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-25593</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think online communities are never going to be the same as a real life community as people say things online that they never would face to face. That doesn&#039;t mean to say online communities don&#039;t have their place, I think they&#039;re a great idea, but you&#039;ve just got to see it as a different type of community and get over the trust issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think online communities are never going to be the same as a real life community as people say things online that they never would face to face. That doesn&#8217;t mean to say online communities don&#8217;t have their place, I think they&#8217;re a great idea, but you&#8217;ve just got to see it as a different type of community and get over the trust issue.</p>
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		<title>By: George Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-25537</link>
		<dc:creator>George Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The beauty of internet forums is the fact that you can be whoever you want to be. It allows for more exchange of thought. The problem is that some people will always be crude and tactless. One bad apple will ruin the barrel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The beauty of internet forums is the fact that you can be whoever you want to be. It allows for more exchange of thought. The problem is that some people will always be crude and tactless. One bad apple will ruin the barrel.</p>
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		<title>By: james johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-25412</link>
		<dc:creator>james johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All communities thrive on trust, and decay without it. If whichever service provider consistently breaches that trust, people will look elsewhere, regardless of the popularity of the platform. The phrase &quot;once bitten, twice shy&quot; certainly rings true in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All communities thrive on trust, and decay without it. If whichever service provider consistently breaches that trust, people will look elsewhere, regardless of the popularity of the platform. The phrase &#8220;once bitten, twice shy&#8221; certainly rings true in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Reed - Community Manager</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-25321</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Reed - Community Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Brinstar&lt;/strong&gt; - I wouldn&#039;t say privacy concerns don&#039;t have their place; I just don&#039;t think they were the real issue here. People can fall victim to harassment regardless of whether they use their real name. In fact, I&#039;d argue that most victims of this kind of abuse don&#039;t use their real names - they&#039;re tracked down by the personal information they choose to share.

How many people make full use of Facebook&#039;s privacy settings and block their full names and other personal information? I don&#039;t know the exact numbers, but I&#039;m pretty confident it&#039;s only a tiny proportion of active members.

The real issue here was change. If people knew from the outset they had to use their real names, there wouldn&#039;t have been a problem. Letting people build a reputation and then forcing them to use their real names was never going to work.

Thanks for sharing your links - they certainly add to the conversation and bring a different perspective, which is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Brinstar</strong> &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t say privacy concerns don&#8217;t have their place; I just don&#8217;t think they were the real issue here. People can fall victim to harassment regardless of whether they use their real name. In fact, I&#8217;d argue that most victims of this kind of abuse don&#8217;t use their real names &#8211; they&#8217;re tracked down by the personal information they choose to share.</p>
<p>How many people make full use of Facebook&#8217;s privacy settings and block their full names and other personal information? I don&#8217;t know the exact numbers, but I&#8217;m pretty confident it&#8217;s only a tiny proportion of active members.</p>
<p>The real issue here was change. If people knew from the outset they had to use their real names, there wouldn&#8217;t have been a problem. Letting people build a reputation and then forcing them to use their real names was never going to work.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your links &#8211; they certainly add to the conversation and bring a different perspective, which is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Brinstar</title>
		<link>http://www.communityspark.com/online-communities-depend-on-continuity/#comment-25305</link>
		<dc:creator>Brinstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Privacy concerns are not over-hyped. I feel you&#039;re speaking as someone who has never been stalked, harassed, sexually harassed, has never had to take out a restraining order on an abusive ex-husband, and is not a member of the target group for those activities.

I think bringing up Facebook and the fact that people on Facebook are not anonymous doesn&#039;t discredit Blizzard&#039;s decision at all. Facebook&#039;s privacy settings allow users to choose whom they can grant access to their online activities and other information. Blizzard lifting the veil of anonymity on its users removed this choice.

The fact of the matter is, had Blizzard gone ahead with the real-names-on-forums plan, it would have further marginalised people who are already marginalised in online communities, and driven them away from Blizzard official forums. For a better understanding of how Blizzard&#039;s plans could have affected users who are already vulnerable to abuse by the majority (young white men on Blizzard forums), read this post from a woman gamer:

http://www.metafilter.com/93492/But-my-name-really-is-Deathblood-Blackaxe#3171416

And here are a few links from women gamers and others about the whole fiasco: http://geekfeminism.org/2010/07/07/another-round-of-real-names-will-solve-everything-blizzard-edition/

As a community manager, it&#039;s important to understand that not everyone in a community is the same. There are people who rightfully have concerns, and whose concerns should not be diminished simply because those concerns are not a part of one&#039;s experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Privacy concerns are not over-hyped. I feel you&#8217;re speaking as someone who has never been stalked, harassed, sexually harassed, has never had to take out a restraining order on an abusive ex-husband, and is not a member of the target group for those activities.</p>
<p>I think bringing up Facebook and the fact that people on Facebook are not anonymous doesn&#8217;t discredit Blizzard&#8217;s decision at all. Facebook&#8217;s privacy settings allow users to choose whom they can grant access to their online activities and other information. Blizzard lifting the veil of anonymity on its users removed this choice.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, had Blizzard gone ahead with the real-names-on-forums plan, it would have further marginalised people who are already marginalised in online communities, and driven them away from Blizzard official forums. For a better understanding of how Blizzard&#8217;s plans could have affected users who are already vulnerable to abuse by the majority (young white men on Blizzard forums), read this post from a woman gamer:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.metafilter.com/93492/But-my-name-really-is-Deathblood-Blackaxe#3171416" rel="nofollow">http://www.metafilter.com/93492/But-my-name-really-is-Deathblood-Blackaxe#3171416</a></p>
<p>And here are a few links from women gamers and others about the whole fiasco: <a href="http://geekfeminism.org/2010/07/07/another-round-of-real-names-will-solve-everything-blizzard-edition/" rel="nofollow">http://geekfeminism.org/2010/07/07/another-round-of-real-names-will-solve-everything-blizzard-edition/</a></p>
<p>As a community manager, it&#8217;s important to understand that not everyone in a community is the same. There are people who rightfully have concerns, and whose concerns should not be diminished simply because those concerns are not a part of one&#8217;s experience.</p>
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